Ron Paul, Barack Obama, and Ray Taliaferro: Racism and Racism

By lobobreed

The recent “spot of bother” concerning Ron Paul’s racist and homophobic newsletters has thrown a spanner in the works of his campaign. Watching his response to Wolf Blitzer’s blitz, Silverwolf was left with the feeling that there was something seriously lacking in his defenses which would be damaging to his campaign, and the ideals which those of us who have blogged in favour of his Libertarian/fiscal-conservative mix of philosophies have supported. Anti-racism in the form of a grand contempt for the moronic simpletonness of the racist has always been a cornerstone of the Libertarian philosophy. All Human Beings have sacredness under the Rights of Man, and the American Jeffersonian free-market Capitalist is only concerned with people’s actions as they fall within the purview of the law, and their lawful activity in the markets. Cash and the Constitution, that is, and has been, pretty much, America.

But now the Paul juggernaut has been partially derailed by, we feel, Dr. Paul’s inadequate response, which we think was perfectly summed up by David Gergen and Andrew Sullivan. They too felt that there was something seriously lacking in the reaction. And if the Doctor really didn’t know, well how can he sell things that are ghostwritten as being his own? And he never saw one copy? Is such a person to be trusted as president? However, as one discusser put to me, isn’t this information available in the record?Wouldn’t the business documents and receipts say who was reimbursed for what, who was the editor, who hired the ghost writers? And couldn’t the investigative reporters of America find out? But Silence means Consent to the American public.

It was also interesting to see how some of the bloggers who had, like Silverwolf, been writing in favour of Dr. Paul, suddenly turned against him and accepted statements made in James Kirchick’s smear in the New Republic as gospel truth. “Girlinshortshorts” blogger accepted the fact of “kind words” for the racist miscreant David Duke. Silverwolf read the passage in question very carefully, and it said nothing of the kind. What it did do was explain that the message Duke put out was popular, and that 9% of Blacks voted for him, showing that the 44% he got was largely due to the fact that many people going into the polls didn’t know that Duke was a racist, something quite plausible in an American electorate that is so uneducated and ignorant as we know it to be. Likewise the so-called defense of the racist miscreant and Holocaust-denier, Zundel, and so-called assault on Salman Rushdie was also nothing of the kind, but much more an explanation of why Muslims would be as outraged at what Rushdie wrote as Jews are at what Zundel claims. In fact, the  newsletter used the phrase “the historical reality of the Holocaust”. It equated the violence threatened against Rushdie by the Ayatollah’s fatwah with the martrydom conveyed on Zundel by the Canadian law which makes Holocaust-denial a crime, as it has been made in parts of Europe. Both are forms of violence. (However, we do think there may be something theoretically to a restriction on what might be considered “inciting to riot” in a society that does not permit its citizens to own weapons. One wonders how frequent the marches of Nazis we see in Czecho, Germany, etc. would be if Jews, Roma, and the remaining victims of World War II were allowed to own Uzis.) If we exclude the mass murder of Indians in America, race riots and lynchings,  and the great Crime of Slavery, there have never been religious pogroms in America, whereas they have been the norm in Europe for centuries, and have been practiced as of only a few years ago. In America, where people have a wide latitude to say things, as long as they are not inciting to riot, but where all are free to own firearms, and where “a wall of separation” between church and state has been  recommended strongly to us by WiseChief Jefferson, we have never had religious pogroms, something we can be proud of. But as Professor Debra Lipstadt has pointed out, and Silverwolf must agree, Holocaust-denial laws only serve to make martyrs of miscreants, and heroes out of scumheads. Let them walk the streets in a society where Jews are free to own Uzis.

The blogger Paul Levinson, who had been supporting Dr. Paul, also bailed out, for reasons similar to Silverwolf, but his sudden switch to supporting Senator Obama is most telling in light of the below.

However, as Silverwolf pointed out in his response to Timur Rozenfeld, a perceptive commenter on some of Silverwolf’s previous blogs, while he is willing to give Dr. Paul the benefit of the doubt (and as they say in the North of England, “I’d believe you. Thousands wouldn’t”), especially in light of his vociferous eschewal of the racially-tinged and homophobic drivel that seemed to be sprinkled throughout these newsletters, intermingled with paragraphs that sounded wholly like the Doctor we know, we wondered to Timur why someone didn’t bring out the warm relations between Senator Obama and the vicious Jew-hater, Al Sharpton, and also the fact that the religious congregation that Senator Obama belongs to has, in recent history, awarded its Man of the Year award to the Racist caitiff, Louis Farrakhan, another Jew-hater who has used his power countless times to make statements designed to whip up hatred, and ultimately violence, towards Jews. Remember that every racist is trying to get innocent children and old folk murdered — that is their aim.  In Sharpton’s case, his demonstrations against Freddie’s Fashion Mart, in which the phrase “Jewish bloodsuckers” was bandied about freely, led to the burning to death of seven human beings.  Yet we see pictures subsequently of Senator Obama embracing the racist miscreant  and Jew-hater Al Sharpton with a warm smile on his face, not unlike the warm smile President Bill Clinton gave to President Suharto of Indonesia at a time when he was murdering three-quarter of a million Catholics in East Timor. Birds of a feather flock together.

Well, Silverwolf’s question, put to Timur Rozenfeld several days ago, seemed to be answered today when Richard Cohen wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post pointing out exactly these ties between Obama and Sharpton, and the way that Obama’s Minister and spiritual mentor, the “Reverend” Jeremiah A. Wright, has praised the racist jackanapse Farrakhan for his “integrity and honesty”. One wonders what barrage of criticisms we would hear against Dr. Paul if it turned out the head of the congregation he had attended for years, and whom he had named as a major spiritual force in his life, had praised the racist Jew-hater and Black-hater, David Duke, for his “integrity and honesty”.  The “disagreements” that these “leaders” say they have with Farrakhan are a far greater cop-out and insult to anti-racists than the vociferous eschewal of racist views and acceptance of responsibility that Dr. Paul has stated, although we think that until he can name those responsible, he will suffer the stigma. But in comparison with the moral crime of legitimizing the racist filth of Farrakhan, Dr. Paul’s actions pale. Churchill said we must have no contact with the Nazi. No contact.

Added to this in disgust, was the disgusting sound of hearing a former hero of Silverwolf’s,—who has spoken so elequently against the death penalty and the controlled substance laws, two of the cornerstones of Fascism,—Ray Taliaferro, call Dr. Paul a racist, while only two days earlier praising Senator Obama and supporting him for president. So Taliaferro condemns someone who eschews racism and publicly takes responsibility for his actions, while praising someone who consorts with, smiles at, embraces and praises vicious Jew-haters and White-haters like the “Reverends” Sharpton and Farrakhan.

Farrakhan is the Klan, Ray, you old racist-lover lover.

Silverwolf will howl to the truth of that.

Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwww! — Silverwolf

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26 Responses to “Ron Paul, Barack Obama, and Ray Taliaferro: Racism and Racism”

  1. lobobreed Says:

    One of the incoming links is claiming that someone named “dajjal” wrote this post. This is false. Silverwolf is not “dajjal”. — Silverwolf

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  4. Timur Rozenfeld Says:

    Another very good wolfan piece. I definitely think there is some double standard going on here although now McCain is being attacked for buckling under torture. Only Hillary can do no wrong and if she sheds a tear, we must vote for her. She speaks about experience and then in NH, she says it took her 30 years to find her voice and she found it in NH. No one made a mention of this. In addition, I hear only praise for her debate performances which I find to be far worse than Obama’s.

    Back to Ron Paul: he really needs to be much more aggressive in his disassociation with racists. Now this Michigan KKK guy is supposedly a Michigan coordinator for his campaign. Now the newsletters plus this just add insult to injury and a passive attitude is no longer politically viable and it will not help the libertarian movement.

    Ron Paul needs to get rid of this guy and make a better statement on his website regarding those newsletters. Even though it is possible that the newsletters may not have made that much of a difference, having a better statement on the website can only help. He needs to explain his connection with the newsletters, say exactly where he erred and how these newsletters could have been published without his knowledge, reiterate in explicit detail his revulsion at racism, explain his activities over the last 30 years that have shown that he is the opposite of a racist, bring forth witnesses to support his statements and eliminate any hint that this is something that is being buried under the rug. This is only makes political sense. Even though he was pretty adamant on Wolf Blitzer’s show, he wasn’t specific enough and needs to get specific and reiterate his point of view and show he is not afraid of the issue.

  5. lobobreed Says:

    Right on, Timur. I could not have put it more concisely. — Silverwolf

  6. Paul Levinson Says:

    Brief note of clarification: I did not, as Silverwolf says above, make a “sudden switch” to Obama after withdrawing support from Ron Paul.

    As this blog post from last March in my InfiniteRegress.tv indicates, I suggested supporting the best candidates in both parties. At that time, they were Ron Paul in Republicans and Obama or Edwards in the Democratic party.

    On December 23, as per this next blog post from InfiniteRegress.tv, I announced that I was supporting Barack Obama, and would be voting for him in the New York primary, and was still supporting Ron Paul as far and away the best Republican.

    It wasn’t until January 9 that I withdrew my support from Ron Paul, as this third blog post indicates.

    Thus, there’s was nothing in the slightest “sudden” in my selection of Barack Obama

  7. Timur Rozenfeld Says:

    Thanks. Check out this video: it’s pretty clever and I think we need more of this explicit comparison to get out there to make the issue clear once and for all.

    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=EKr4gMLaPIs

  8. lobobreed Says:

    Mr.Levinson —
    I stand corrected on my inaccuracy on your positions. However, I still wonder how you can now support someone who has such warm regard for such vicious Jew-haters? I believe we should have no contact with those who tolerate rabid racism and racists. — Silverwolf

  9. Timur Rozenfeld Says:

    Here is a good article criticizing the Anti-Ron Paul article in the New Republic:

    http://www.takimag.com/site/why_the_beltway_libertarians_are_trying_to_smear_ron_paul/

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  11. Timur Rozenfeld Says:

    Silverwolf,

    I hope you don’t mind me using a quote from one of your blogs:

    Article IV, sect. 2 guarantees the rights in the Constitution (and the Bill of Rights) to all citizens in all the states. A state that violated a provision of the Bill of Rights would be acting against the Constitution and the Feds would have a right to go in and correct the injustice, as they did in Little Rock under Eisenhower.

    Article V makes the Bill of Rights part of the Constitution.

    Article VI makes the Constitution the supreme Law of the Land, anything in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

    So a strict constructionalist Constitutionalist would not permit the States to violate individualist rights.

    This answers a lot of peoples’ questions. Please let me know if this is a problem.

    Thanks,

    Timur

  12. lobobreed Says:

    Timur — It’s fine with me if you quote my interpretation of the Constitution. I’m flattered to think I might have gotten it right. Hmmm…Chief Justice Lobo Silverwolf. Sounds kinda neat. — Silverwolf

  13. Timur Rozenfeld Says:

    Thanks. I think it quiets people down who think that following the Constitution will reduce peoples’ rights.

  14. Timur Rozenfeld Says:

    When you have a chance, take a look at this bill introduced by Ron Paul and let me know what you think. It seems to contradict your assessment of Ron Paul’s stance:

    HR 4379

  15. lobobreed Says:

    Timur — I read over HR 4379, both the text and the analysis and this is what I think.
    I think Ron Paul is wrong when he states that Article 3, sec.2 gives the Congress the power to make exceptions which would include overriding the supreme courts right to rule on laws in which the state is a party. The first part of that article section 2 says “In all cases … and those in which states shall be party, the supreme court shall have original jurisdiction. In all other cases before-mentioned, the supreme court shall have appellate jurisdiction,both as to law and fact, with such exceptions and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.”
    This to me means that trying to overthrow the separation of church and state (as, for example, permitting prayers in class) would fail because most (or all?) states have laws in their state constitutions which prohibit the establishment of religion by the state, and the supreme court can and should be able to rule on those according to this Article. Local laws, which might permit school prayer would almost certainly violate state constitutions, and if the state supreme court failed and actually ruled that these laws were constitutional, then the state could bring the case to the supreme court, which it can do under Article 3, sect.2.
    It sounds like an attempt by Ron Paul to overthrow separation of church and state, although I’ve never directly heard him comment on whether he would permit prayers in class during class time, at least in the clause of his bill dealing with establishment of religion and free exercise thereof. The last provision of his bill dealing with extending the “right of privacy”, which is never spelled out in the Bill of Rights, but which I think is implicitely implied, is an attempt to remove Gay Marriage from the realm of Law and the myriad benefits that will accrue to those who utilize it to dodge tax liabilities. Since I regard all marriage as a religious practice, which should have no standing whatsoever in a society that should have a wall of separation between church and state, that part is fine with me. If you want to promote the family, then give people a tax deduction for minors up to the age of 16, with a maximum of 3 deductions (assuming we are still using the horrendous income tax to raise revenue instead of perhaps a national sales tax, excise taxes, and a corporate income tax on all businesses netting more than $5million/yr — my own plan).
    If Dr. Paul is trying to overthrow separation of church and state, I don’t think he has the proverbial snowballs chance of getting something like HR 4379 through congress, especially since so much of his support comes from fierce Libertarians like myself, and so far HR 4379, and equally worded Bills he has introduced, have gotten no support at all. But his challenge to the Supreme Court through this bill should give us pause for thought, since we see so many horrendous decisions coming from this court of inferior intellects, which the Dems in Congress so willingly approved. The Supreme Court can easily become an instrument of tyranny, and HR 4379 is an attempt to limit its power.
    To change the laws, Dr. Paul will need the people and Congress behind him, and the complete failure of HR 4379, and similar bills he has introduced shows, I think, how much traction he has on this issue. He may have some anti-Libertarian tendencies, but he will have to convince the people, and I don’t think he will fly on trying to overthrow separation of Church and State. But that doesn’t outweigh the long list of civil rights he is defending. So I’m not too worried about him establishing a Theocracy in America, although it’s something to be concerned with, should he become so wildly popular and charismatic that he could move the whole country uncritically through the power of his oratory. — Silverwolf

  16. Timur Rozenfeld Says:

    I agree entirely with you based on my reading of this bill. I pointed out to the person I was discussing with that if Ron Paul were elected President, this wouldn’t be under his pervue anyway, so its not something we need to worry about compared to all the other issues at stake.

  17. Timur Rozenfeld Says:

    Here is the guy’s response:

    A state that violated a provision of the Bill of Rights would be acting against the Constitution and the Feds would have a right to go in and correct the injustice, as they did in Little Rock under Eisenhower.”
    Wrong. Eisenhower exercised unconstitutional executive power to suppress the supposed Insurrection at Little Rock, a power reserved to Congress.
    Under the 14th Amendment, Congress would have the power to establish a law that would open the local police force that failed to prevent the violations of rights in Little Rock up to federal prosecution.
    In any case, the local police who failed to act should have been censured and removed from office as violating their oath of office, for not prosecuting the gang of hooligans and thugs who were harassing and obstructing the students on public property.
    Note that in the case of a private school, the discriminatory police protection that made Little Rock an issue would hardly have been possible. The obstructors would have been trespassing on private property, and at least at that time, we had a greater respect for private property rights.

    Here is the link to our discussion. Feel free to add to it as I actually don’t know anything about little Rock and should have taken that piece out when I replied.

    http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ron_Paul_on_MLK_Jr_s_Legacy_of_Freedom_2

  18. lobobreed Says:

    Timur — I prefer not to comment on Digg because I’ve sometimes had the page refresh and wipe out a long comment I’ve made.
    I also mistakenly referred to the Eisenhower action, when what I had in mind was Kennedy’s action versus George Wallace. I just reviewed the facts in the Eisenhower case, though, and it seems to fall into the same catagory. To me, it sounds like Ike had the authority to act, but I’m not a Constitutional scholar. I would recommend the PBS documentary, shown on The American Experience a few years back of Robert Drew’s documentary film, “Kennedy vs. Wallace”. It’s great.
    Finally, I’d add that some people seem to thing that discriminating at a privately owned business or on private business property is just fine, and upholding private property rights, but I dispute that. The operators of a business receive socialist benefits in the form of police protection, fire dept. response, public works sidewalk maintenance, small claims court, etc. which all taxpayers must contribute to, irregardless of race, creed or ethnicity, so it seems to me that discriminating at a private business, like a lunch counter, is unconstitutional under those circumstances. Other discriminations (No shirt or shoes —no service, or forbidding those with a communicable disease like drug-resistant TB), seem to me to be constitutional. — Silverwolf

  19. Timur Rozenfeld Says:

    Well we all receive samilar benefits as private citizens, but we can still discriminate in our homes. If we can do it in our homes, why can’t we do it in our businesses?

    For example, if there is a fire in my house and a person of some other ethnicity whom I don’t like douses out the fire. Does that mean I can’t discriminate in my own home because I receive benefits regardless of race.

    I am not sure where in the Constitution would we find discrimination as a problem as it has nothing to do with the federal government nor even the state governments.

  20. lobobreed Says:

    Timur — Well, the difference between discriminating in your private home and at a public business is that virtually all real estate is in the private home catagory — this is by definition space that is invioble by the state, but business property is not only public, but usually limited to a certain fixed number of establishments, unlike all other private real estate. Since, if all of those fixed establishments collude and say, deny access to one specific group — for example, say a group of ethnic Turks who run all 31 legally licensed businesses in Tupps, Utah, decide that they are not going to sell to Armenians, who tend to do sheepherding in the vicinity, and need to get their vitals in town. The Armenians also have to pay a county income tax, lets say, to support the local sherriff, fire dept., sidewalk mainenance, city insurance (which administers business licenses) and wages, etc. Since their is a limited number of businesses, and commerce being axiomatic to American capitalism, it seems to me their may well be a basis for not permitting discrimination since those businesses are accruing a publicly funded right but not granting the equal right of public access. to the Armenians in this case, who only have 31 possible business locations to choose from (i.e. it would be illegal by city ordinance for a vendor to set up a booth on the street to compete with the 31 businesses)— Silverwolf

  21. Timur Rozenfeld Says:

    Businesses are open to the public, but they are still private entities, bought and paid for by the business owners. Business licenses and city services except the police force are public, which make the situation not a free market one. Licenses allow denial of entry and special privilege assigned by government.

    The number of businesses doesn’t have to be limited and there is nothing stopping an armenian opening a business or from a turk lowering his or her price and allow Armenians in.

    Plus forcing the Turks to sell to Armenians, if they hate them, sets up situations of violent conflict because freedom has been restricted.

    Also, when I set up a business, I am paying for the services that I receive so I am not sure how this would be a publicly funded right. I still see a business as a private entity bought and paid for by my hard work and effort and if I choose to deny selling Armenians, my freedom shouldn’t be restricted. I will have to pay the price for my racial preferences though as I will have fewer customers and lose business.

    In the situation you describe, which has government interfering in the economy, these conflicts arise.

  22. lobobreed Says:

    Timur — Upon sleeping on the issue, I had similar thoughts. Doesn’t the problem center around the fact that the city (or government entity) has imposed these sets of licensing restrictions, and limited the number of businesses? Would I feel the same way if any person could operate any business on their private residential property? And what of the costermonger, who wants to set up his wheelbarrow in the street and vend from it, as was common in say New York in the early days of capitalism. Shouldn’t he have the right to set up without a license? Of course (though he might have to show receipts if a peace officer questioned his legal ownership of the stuff he was selling). Under those circumstances, where every private residence, and even the homeless on the street, could engage in free-market capitalism, I think I would have to agree that owners could discriminate based on whatever they felt like. The market could and would punish them, and that should be the only punishment. Any other punishment tends to martyrize them.
    So I agree with you. If there is no requirements for business licenses (as there is in almost every Berg in America — so much for our grand love of the capitalist, free-enterprise system) — there will be unlimited competition, and thus, I think under these circumstances, it would be legal for people to discriminate. — Silverwolf

  23. Timur Rozenfeld Says:

    Yeah, as you see, public property means no one owns it and everyone owns it and conflicts of interest occur causing these problems. The idea is to decentralize power to the individual and clearly delineate ownership.

    This makes it possible for to be no fundamental conflicts, and that is the state that corresponds most to the authentic needs of human beings.

  24. lobobreed Says:

    Timur — Right, I agree.
    But what about the case I delineate above, where a municipality, as most in America, alots only so much commercial space, and only a limited number of business licenses based on some bureaucratic rule or legislative mandate, (or the business interests of the leading citizens, i.e. the top two or three real estate agents or Cadillac dealerships don’t really want any good competition to lower their prices so they restrict the space by fiat) and under this imposed scarcity of competition (pushcart vendors or selling off of residential property are “strictly forbidden”), don’t you think the government might have an argument in saying to vendors “You must serve any public law-abiding citizen as long as he complies with the rules of sanitation in your business and is not demonstrably disruptive to the conduct of your business (a video camera over your business counter would verify this).
    Under all these circumstances, should the state have the right, or the power, to mandate equal access?
    I would say under the earlier discussion of unlimited business competition, “no”; but when it comes to a restricted number of businesses based on government fiat, “possibly yes”.
    Any views on this? — Silverwolf

  25. Timur Rozenfeld Says:

    I think the problem with this approach is that it doesn’t solve the fundamental problem of government interference. So the government tries to solve a problem with more intervention creating unintended consequences (i.e. resentment, class division).

    I can understand the your point of saying possibly yes, but this erodes property rights further thus making freedom less likely. First we start with equal access, then we ban smoking, then we have minimum wages, then we have specific licenses (i.e. alcohol). The list grows and grows because respect for rights have been completely eroded.

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